[Upheld] alexcat2 server crash ban

[alexcat2]

Your Steam ID: alexcat2
Your In-Game Name: alexcat2
Server you were banned from: sandbox
When were you banned?: about 5 hours ago but I am not sure; I only found that I was banned when I tried to connect. ban is for 4 days 20 hours
Who you were banned by?: unknown, I was banned when I was offline. I can only see the connect to server ban message

Why were you banned?: "crashing server 3x"
 I am not sure exactly what I was doing when I was banned, but I believe it was for accidentally crashing the server with a modified LFS droid fighter.
The addon is new and I was trying to see what I could do with it. 
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I have no clue why this happens or how to stop it, and the absurdity of the cause is even more confusing.

Why should you be unbanned?: I didn't realize I was causing the server to crash, and no one on at the time knew either. There was no admin to tell me it was me, or I would have stopped sooner. I promise to not tempt fate with the model or purposefully cause crashes with it. 

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Lastly, I again apologize for the incident. I never meant to destroy the server and regret doing so. I promise to not do it again and if anyone tells me that similar things are causing issues I will stop doing any things that might cause problems. 

EDIT: I removed a lot for server security concerns. UHC and Luther have full copies of this if you really need it.

[Demonik1]

Even though you claim it was an accident it was still done.  So your chances of getting unbanned aren't very high.  You'll just have to wait it out and try not to crash the server with dupes next time.  Just be happy you got a 5 day ban and not a 2 week ban like it's written in the rules.

Crashing or lagging the server. (Maximum length)

Maximum length for admins is 2 weeks I believe.

[Chinaball]

It is 1 week for admins below saint

[alexcat2]

Can I get a link to the ban times? I can only find a copy of the regular rules without times.

Also, what would the official stance be on accidents? Again I never meant for this to happen, and would just be curious at this point.

Another point I would make is that I never got a warning at all about the event. I would have stopped immediately if anyone ever told me that I was the cause of a problem, but this time nothing happened and then I got a flat out ban.

Edit: I also went through the rules again and it says that "If you spawn a dupe or create an item that is causing lag, remove it immediately." Although the crash version goes a bit further then that, I would say that I more or less followed the rules by stopping what I was doing.

Also, I have a full copy of the ban appeal that I can send to admins if anyone asks for it. I removed a lot of info because of the crash exploit details.

[SaintLuther]

If you did this once, I might give you a pass or a reduction, but you crashed the server THREE TIMES. Obviously you had to know you were causing this.

[alexcat2]

@SaintLuther Sorry that it took me three times to realize. If you need me to send you more details on the exploit I can.

Also, referencing the rules, "Do not attempt to crash or lag the server." and "If you spawn a dupe or create an item that is causing lag, remove it immediately." are the main rules that deal with crashes/lag. they talk about the intent of the person.

I never wanted the server to crash, I just wanted my special vehicle. When I realized what was happening, I stopped in horror of the power of exploit. No one on at the time said or did anything, and I was the only one who did anything. If I wanted to crash the server, then I could have easily continued doing the exploit until the server critically failed or my mouse broke, and if I didn't have the best intent for LFG then I would have left more details about the exploit above.

I protest that It took me some time to realize because of how stupidly simple the exploit was. I just had a hard time realizing that 1 unedited entity and 1 marginally edited prop had the power to kill a server.  I would put the details in chat here but its so simple that anyone could follow them. It is hard to realize that an act as basic as spawning a car with a light on the top (not the actual exploit, ask for it) would be able to kill the server. There are no valid reasons that it should be able to do so. Its just a car with a light! Not to mention there was no admin on at the time or even anyone who said anything to me, as well as a fair amount of server instability. I was really the only person capable of recognizing that 2 components somehow have the power of killing the server, and acting on it.

Edit: Saint I would also highly suggest working on fixing the exploit, even if you do not change my ban. Its so simple that a toddler who plays the game could do it, and it is only a matter of time until someone more malicious finds a similar exploit. There should be a copy of the original ban report in a PM i sent to you and a few other people with the full details. If you need more or cannot find the message just message me.

[SaintLuther]

Edit: Saint I would also highly suggest working on fixing the exploit

You must not have read my post yet but I did

I stopped in horror of the power of exploit.

and it is only a matter of time until someone more malicious finds a similar exploit

This is the reason the duplicator is restricted. It's simply not possible to prevent all crashes via duplicator which is why most servers have it completely restricted. You're expected to be extremely careful with this tool and you should be testing dupes in single player before using them on the server.

they talk about the intent of the person.

Because the result matters more than the intent

[alexcat2]

First, if it is all about results rather then intent then just start with that point next time, and leave me with the ban. I accept what I accidentally caused. I just figured that intent mattered at least to some degree based off of the rules and other ban appeals that I had read. If it does not matter then it would be useful to start with that point to save time.

If the post you are talking about is the one in the changelog, then the exploit is not fully fixed. If you can still spawn in any LFS vehicles with the dupe tool, even if it is only one, then the exploit still stands. I would test this (without causing a crash) but cannot because I am still banned.

Also, even if dupe is restricted to member and above, I have still seen and heard of many members abusing (and getting banned) before, so it would not fully protect from the exploit.

Lastly, I was being careful with the dupe tool. I had built the vehicle in question on the server, and it caused no problems by itself. I had no reason to believe that duplicating a 2 component dupe would cause any harm to the server (even though I was wrong). If I am supposed to leave the server to test every dupe that I produce on the server, then dupe rules are dumb and could use some work. Also, I am not fully sure of how to run all of the addons on LFG or even where to find all of them, making testing dupes in singleplayer impossible.

[SaintLuther]

Also, I am not fully sure of how to run all of the addons on LFG

90% of them: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/fi...=392181024

making testing dupes in singleplayer impossible.

Don't be ridiculous

dupe rules are dumb and could use some work

They're pretty simple and no one else needs clarification not to crash the server 3 times with a dupe

If the post you are talking about is the one in the changelog, then the exploit is not fully fixed. If you can still spawn in any LFS vehicles with the dupe tool, even if it is only one, then the exploit still stands. I would test this (without causing a crash) but cannot because I am still banned.

I tested the dupe on the test server and it didn't crash, although it's running a different OS so I can't be sure it won't crash Sandbox. Unless there's no one else on the server you shouldn't risk testing it.

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to save time.